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nationally viable model. get comfortable with the relevance because in this increasingly multiracial nation, as long as you use people of color as a tool to scare up votes, you remain irrelevant. that does it for "the cycle." joy reid is back for martin. >> good afternoon. i'm joy reid. it's monday is, august 26th. and syria is officially on notice. ♪ >> major foreign policy. >> the obama administration is stepping up plans for military action. >> it has little doubt the syrian army used chemical gas on its own people. >> this is clearly a big event of grave concern. >> it's less a question of if than when. >> president obama has asked the defense department to prepare options. >> nobody wants boots on the ground. >> that doesn't mean he sits back and says we can't do anything. >> lawmakers on capitol hill increasingly urging the obama administration to take action. >> we have to move and have to move quickly. >> can't can be unilateral american approach. >> i do think action is going to
occur. >> will it be big enough or a symbolic attack? >> i think we can change things immediately just because we're america. that's not necessarily the case. >> president pulled troops out of iraq and trying to get them out of afghanistan. does he or this country have an appetite to get involved? that's the red line that the president does not want to cross. ♪ purple haze ♪ >> the dilemma gross deeper in syria with secretary of state john kerry declaring this afternoon that chemical weapons were used, accusing the syrian government of a cover-up and vowing u.s. response. it's all part of a quickening pace from the administration. this weekend, president obama showed all the signs of trying to forge an international coalition. huddling with his national security team and making calls to key u.s. allies. earlier this afternoon, secretary of state john kerry spoke from the state department
demanding consequences for assad's actions. >> the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, the killing of women and children and innocent bystanders by chemical weapons is a moral obscenity. make no mistake. president obama believes there must be accountability for those who would use the world's most heinous weapons against the world's must eventual eshl people. nothing today is more serious and nothing is receiving more serious scrutiny. >> just moments ago, the white house weighed in with a late afternoon briefing from press secretary jay carney. >> the fact that chemical weapons were used on a widespread basis against innocent civilians with tragic results is undeniable. and there is very little doubt in our minds that the syrian regime is culpable. we are continuing to review potential responses to consult with our allies and partners.
and with congress as we make that review. >> exactly what the u.s. response will be remains uncertain. even as investigations into alleged is chemical weapons use in syria continue. today united nations inspectors met and took samples from victims outside damascus after the u.n. team found themselves under attack from sniper fire on their convoy. no one was injured but the convoy had to come back a second time after replacing a disabled vehicle delaying the time of the investigation further. in a rare case of collapsing political divide in d.c., politicians from both parties seemed to agree that the clock is ticking to u.s. action. the what degree remains up for debate. >> i think you're going to see a surgical proportional strike against the assad regime for what they have done. i support that. >> we could bomb his munitions and fuel depots and make it impossible for him to wage war on his own people.
>> if the united states stands by and doesn't take very serious action, not just launchinging some cruise missiles, then again our credibility in the world is diminished even more if there's any left. >> what everyone can agree on is that much is at stake, not least of which the lives of hose in the region. let's goats chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell who is with us from washington. andrea, it's always great to talk to you on issues like this. i think what we're seeing is this sort of steady escalation in the rhetoric we're hearing out of the administration and members of congress. give me your reaction to what you heard from secretary of state kerry and from the white house today. >> this has been endeniably forceful, explicit, about as literal as they will be saying that a chemical attack took place. there is no doubt about. the only small doubt was whether it was from the regime. they made it clear it is from
the assad regime. they said what secretary kerry said in an impassioned extraordinary speech from the podium at the state department, if there were any doubt that the regime was responsible, it was erased by the fact they tried to cover it up and wouldn't let will the u.n. weapons inspectors in. he said the u.n. team itself will not be dispositive because they were only looking at whether an attack took place and they do have more intelligence which they will be distributing and making public about the level of the attack. dhe clearly have physical scientific samples that the director of national intelligence i understand is going to be putting out, probably within the next 24 hours. and making it public as well as having shared it with the allies. beyond that, the u.n. weapons inspectors who were on the ground and that's what made this so brazen, they were in the country to look for evidence of the previous attack when this attack, the widest chemical attacking in more than two
decades took place. because of that, because of what kerry called an moral obscenity, he said the president will hold someone accountable. now the only question is what kind of action. i'm told it will be military. then you're going to have, again, the political divide between the john mccains on the one hand who believe as you just pointed out cruise missiles are not enough and others like bob corker and other members of the republican and democratic party who believe that a response which punishes assad without having -- without trying to remove him, without a long military campaign is enough. >> and you know, andrea, a lot of this feels familiar a lot like the run-up to the war in 2003. you have issues of weapons inspectors not allowed to do their job, these issues of wmd, chemical weapons. bob cork ker more on the less hawkish side than john mccain and some of the neoconservative members on the hill pushing for robust military action.
how much do you think the iraq war is into the heads of people in the white house? barack obama legend drill much more cautious about issues of going in militarily in that region? >> as you know very well, barack obama made his bones politically by being the anti-iraq war member of the democratic party. he was running for president against hillary clinton. it was because of his 2002 speech in illinois as a state senator that he rose to prominence and reached the heights that he did and eventually won the nomination partly because of iowa and some of those early primary states where he got support from the liberal left side of the democratic party. so clearly, he is the prime person in the white house who is skeptical. what was very clear today, we're well beyond that now. what is going on now is just a question of what kind of response. this is the kind of, well, i said moral obscenity in the john kerry's words that is not
tolerated. it is a violation of humanity. it is a weapon of mass destruction. there's very little doubt anywhere in the international community except perhaps russia, iran and in damascus that this took place. >> absolutely. this seems to be moving in only one direction. andrea mitchell, thank so much. for more on the complex political situation facing the president, i want to bring in dana milbank, political columnist for the "washington post." you just heard andrea mitchell talk about the fact you have this president who came into office, elected in large part getting that democratic nomination because of his caution, but this thing is moving, this train's going in one direction, and that's toward military action. >> that's right. he opposed iraq as a dumb war, but by his own terms, he's left himself absolutely no choice here because he said famously that this was the red line. the use of chemical weapons and if there had been any doubt before, his administration has erased that today. it has to be a very serious response, and as andrea was discussing, the only real
question is whether it is this surge cal strike or a more intensive air campaign against the syrian regime. nobody's talking about anything beyond air power at this point. the only certainty we have is that whatever this president does, he's going to be criticized for it for doing too much for doing too little, for going with the united nations, for going without the united nations. there's really no safe or easy alternative. >> just to that point, on capitol hill, you've got your john mccain and lindsey graham, the typical hawkish neo-cons. across the capitol, can speaker john boehner's office issued a statement today which is more of a speed bump. he said the president is the commander in chief. the first step is to consult with congress on what he considers viable options. that has not yet taken place. with the gop not on the same page on this, what kind of advice and counsel does it look like the president would get at this point? >> in a way is the prebuttle to
set the republicans up politically so that they can criticize him and the one thing they can criticize him for is not coming to congress and then they can blame him for anything that goes wrong there. republicans and democrats alike have learned the lessons of iraq. that's why nobody is talking about boots on the ground as they put it. that's why the options here are fairly limited. and you are getting people acknowledging even the hawks in the republican party that there aren't particularly good options here. there's nobody really to partner with in syria. so again, there's no clear path at all for this president, but he has to take some sort of action and just decide what that course of action is knowing he's going to get criticized for whatever he does. >> all right. thanks so much, dana milbank. appreciate it. >> thanks, joy. coming up, we'll welcome two veterans of the civil rights fight to discuss the parch on washington and more.
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the journey is not complete. >> the world is made of dreamers that change reality because of their dream. >> we come to washington to commemorate. we're going back home to agitate. >> that was from this weekend's incredibly moving event from the steps of the lincoln memorial where 50 years ago this week, drst martin luther king delivered his inspiring words to the nation. as tens of thousands gathered for saturday as a event, one of the running themes was acknowledgement of the great women and men who have come before us. as martin luther king iii said, are the journey is not complete. elijah cummings from maryland and marc morial, the president of the national urban league. one of the common themes that we heard on saturday was this was not just a commemoration, this was also a call to action.
what is the call to action from your perspective? >> the first call to action definitely has to be that we've got to address this issue of voting rights. you know, when you -- when i think about dr. king some 50 years ago and he talked about jobs, he talked about dignity, but he also talked about destiny. you can't have control over your destiny if you can't vote. and there's clearly a vicious attack on voting rights of african-american students, minorities, and that's very key because that's a part of making it possible for african-americans to be able and others to do -- to be able to come all ta god meant for them to be. i think that's going to be definitely one of the major issues that we have today. i'm hoping that when the president speaks on wednesday, that he will making that one of the major points of his address. >> and marc morial, to the congressman's point, one of the
peekers who got a lot of the loudest reaction from the crowd was attorney general eric holder. i want to play a brief excerpt what he had to say and get your response on the other side. >> today's observance is about far more than reflecting on our past. today's march is also about committing to shape the future that we will undoubtedly share. a future that preserves the progress and builds on the achievements that have led us to this moment. today, we look to the work that remains unfinished. and make note of our nation's shortcomings. >> and marc morial, that's the impact of hearing those words from an african-american attorney general? >> i think the impact is tremendous. in 1963, elected officials and government officials stayed a long way away from the march on washington even though ten leaders met with president kennedy after the march in the white house. i think it's significant because voting rights as congressman cummings has indicated is front
gronk front and center because the protection of democracy is paramount. it was one of the most important victories of the '60s and it's a place where we cannot allow the clock to be turned back. but i would add to that, jobs and economic empowerment. this whole idea that the gap between the rich and the poor, the racial wealth gap has widened in this nation. indeed for many important communities in our nation, the unemployment rate is higher today than it was in 1963. so i hope the president will also address the economy and economic disparities and that is a very important component of the unfinishedwork. >> congressman, we're going to hear from president obama. but also former presidents carter and clinton who are going to speak on wednesday. i an marked difference from the original march on washington where john f. kennedy was being drewed but wasn't actually addressing the crowd. what is the impact of having presidents of the united states not being addressed by the march but actually participating in
it. >> i think it's extremely significant in that i think it will give us an opportunity so that it's just not the african-american president who is talking about these issues. but i think bringing in president carter and president clinton basically i think they provide a historical standpoint of view whereby they can talk about the nation and how great we should be trying to be. in other words, i think that we have congress has been, as you well know, stuck in going nowhere fast. and i think when you bring those three together, they basically will present a picture that look, we're better than this. we're better than a nation that is stopping people from voting. we're better than a nation that is placing people in positions where children cannot get a decent education. we're better as marc said, that
a nation that does not allow a man or woman to be able to be have the dignity of having a job to take care of their families. i think it helps to bring it all together. and one of the other things that i'm hoping that the president will do is he will say to this congress that they need to do what the 88th congress did. the 88th congress passed the civil rights bill and they went on to do many things. and again, these were republicans and democrats coming together. and tell the congress we must be about the business of leading and working with him. >> and marc morial, congressman cummings obviously is doing the great god's work up there on the hill trying to battle darrell issa on that house government reform committee and getting information out correctly to the public. not every member is elijah cummings. there's a lot of fight on these issues. how can outside organizations, sick rights organizations, ordinary americans impact this
113th congress? >> we've got to the create the climate, can the public will, the sense of how to get beyond partisanship. in 1963, as they marched, the civil rights bill was stuck. it was being blocked by the filibuster, by recalcy trans. the civil rights march, the march on washington helped to unthaw the ice. helped to creativity climate. we can doing that. we can encourage that this idea of civil rights and equal economic opportunity is a nonpartisan battle because it will strengthen the nation. if we can succeed. if we can indeed overcome. >> all right. congressman elijah cummings and marc morial, thank you both. coming up, more on the march on washington. and later, the increasingly misguided crusade of one senator ted cruz. stay with us. right now, 7 years of music is being streamed.
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silly season. >> steve stockman's got a bill. >> there's a lot of people going to call for impeachment. >> not just me. >> a bill that's going to look into the birth certificate. >> there's a lot of silliness. >> it's foolish for republicans to be discussing impeachment. >> why aren't you impeaching the president. >> try to repeal obama care. >> there's a lot of silliness. >> probably obama maybe this is a mini irs. >> he's been making unconstitutional actions. >> this could be a mini irs. >> a lot of silliness. >> god help us if he gets to be anything more than a senator from texas. >> we're going to take back america. >> i have people who want to we want to take our country backing >> it is 50 years after dr. king's speech. >> where are we going? >> if dr. king was here, i'm sure he would say congratulations on the progress that's been made. >> does affirmative action and special treatment need to end? >> let's keep going. the dream is not fully achieved yet. >> we must give our young people dreams again.
>> what's going on about voting rights is down right evil. >> they claim there's widespread abuse. nothing substantiates that. >> there is some forces want to the create this sense of fear. >> we're having a tremendous amount of this black on white violence. >> they think the country is moving too fast. instead of bringing racial harmony, having an african-american president has exacerbated the problem, >> the country's not the same country. >> it's always somethinging thering to stir up controversy. >> joining us now is maria teresa coo kumar and jonathan capehart of the "washington post" as well as james peterson, director of africana studies at lehigh university. professor, take a look at the gop's impeachment posse in the house, blake farenthold will, michele bachmann. on the senate side is, ted cruz, tom coburn has been talking about it recently. what i don't know we do know the
names. do we have any idea what is it they plan on impeaching the president for? >> that is what is absolutely compelling and absurd about these callouts for impeachment across these folks. i'm not sure all these folks are relevant in american politics. coburn is. >> mr. bent volio, you don't know his. >> sorry, i'm not sure if those lawmakers have made a name for themselves. i'm not sure if they've made a name for themselves outside of the ways they try to pander to their base around absurd accusations. if you think there's grounds for impeaching this president, that is an extremely serious accusation. we want the evidence and the proof to back that up. if they were more substantive, we might be able to pay for attention to them. i haven't seen substance in any claims up to this point. >> there's the feeling it is the black president aspect of it. 50 years after the march on washington, we have this
african-american man in the white house. you just heard pat robertson say race relations have gotten worse. now going to the other side of the aisle, had you congresswoman marshall futt said right after the election of the president, i would have thought it was going in a move direction. i'm not sure anymore. has having this african-american president elected made race relations worse? >> look, i think a lot of people thought president obama was going to be the miracle worker, that he was going to make all of the things that have been tearing this the fabric of this country apart for a couple centuries now, that he suddenly one election, one man was going to make things right? pat robertson isn't the only person, marsha fudge isn't the only person. a lot of people, our colleagues are people who are saying the same thing. tan sure, i mean, we've got the voting rights act that's been
gutted. we have the killing of trayvon martin and the response. sanford, florida, to his killing. we've had a whole lot of other things that have happened. but these things have been happening in this country long before and long after president obama has been elected. i think it's really unfair to put on this one man the duty to heal something that has been tearing this country part since the 1600 snooze and you know, mary teresa, one of the casualties and it's sort of extraordinairery 50 years after the march on washington, one of the casualties in this backlash against the republicans republicans would see as his agenda is too liberal has been the gutting of the voting rights act which affects latino voters as least as much as african-americans. we did have one republican. i want to give him credit for talking about it today. it's wisconsin congressman jim sensenbrenner. he talked about voting rights today at the republican's is version of the 50th year
commemoration. take a listen. >> i am committed to restoring the voting rights act as an effective tool to prevent discrimination. more subtle discrimination now than overt discrimination. this is going to be difficult because of the way the court worded its decision. >> given the fact that the court did push it back on congress, is it a sign of hope you have at least one republican talking about commitment to restore the voting rights act? >> i think he understands what the majority of the republican party understands which is the party that in order for them to expand their base, they have to create policies that are welcoming to the majority of americans. when we start talking about race relations, part of it is the friction in the united states where you have roughly 10,000 baby boomers retiring every day but you have this huge growth of a young population, millenial generation so diverse. a boom in single women, african-american, asian and white young people that do have
a different sense of america. it's that push/pull we're seeing. when you talk about the voting rights act, it's not a surprise the majority of these restrictive laws are where are you have a boom in this any generation. north carolina, texas, florida, you see voter files purged because you see a boom in this new voting base. we need to have these conversations today. we can't start pointing the fingers because it's barack obama. look at what happened with trayvon martin. the country came together and said it was an unjust verdict. that verdict opposition to that verdict was across color lines. let's have a genuine conversation on the idea of having a conversation on race. but also let's be genuine. it's a sunsetting group of the republican party that is really having a hard time with the transformation of the country. >> you the know what? professor, speaking of the sunsetting generation that is the republican party, earlier on the sunsetting population's network, fox news, they celebrated dr. king's dream by calling for the end of special
treatment. so now we've had another conservative who put his inspin and added his ideas what we need to do to realize king's dream. listen to george f. will. >> eight months after the march, eight months after that, a young social scientist from harvard working in the labor department published a report. his name was daniel patrick moynihan. he said there's a crisis in the african-american community because 24% of african northern children are born to unmarried women. today it's tripled, 72% that, not an absence of rights is surely the biggest impediment. >> george been commenting on the issue foremost in his mind. african-american single families. >> absurd. demonizing all of the single mothers and single fathers who do a great job and work tirelessly to raise their children. i can never understand why we can't address the structural issues. look at the prison industrial
complex, the erosion of is public education, housing discriminati discrimination, disparity in employment rates, the persistence of economic and race is inequality in this nation. those issues are largely responsible for the gaps you see. going back to your earlier question, remember, there's data that shows that racial animus is on the rise on social networks but also the southern poverty law center has tracked the rise of different militia groups, some of that in response to the election of president obama but mostly because of what maria is talking about here which is we have this shift where baby boomers are retiring and older generation is looking at retirement. not gen-x but gen y is larger than that baby boomer generation. that's a much more progressive in terms of you the ideology. so those tensions are what we're seeing in terms of the racial politics of this nation right now. >> mary teresa, is it single moms ruining america? >> hardly.
it's a structure we have. we start talking about what our priorities are as a country and what means to be moral conservative. make sure we're making sure everybody has a level playing field. invest in schools and invest when it comes to health and invest in jobs and education. once you level that playing field, we can seeing performance. but short of that, we start talking about how we want to get rid of affirmative action. let's get rid of legacy programs because you're the child of an elected or of someone that is highly influential, you automatically get into harvard. it's not a level playing field. till we address the issues at the root of poverty in this country, and that we can talk freely about poverty in this country, then can we address the idea of equality. >> maria, jonathan, thank you. coming up, an american soldier receives the highest military honor and later, ted's not so excellent adventure clam morz on. >> defunding it, if it doesn't happen now, it's likely never to
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i believe if we see a grassroots tsunami, that is going to cause republicans and democrats to listen to the people. >> but it's going to take a tsunami. >> this is going to take a tsunami and i'm going to do everything i canning to encourage that tsunami. >> that's senator ted cruz this weekend explain ing inorder to defund obama care, it will take a tsunami of support. when a majority of republicans including your fellow texas senator john cornyn aren't with you, it will take a miracle. perhaps the larger issue isn't a lack of support but rather a lack of understanding about the
issue in the first place. >> ted cruz may be a very good politics but he certainly doesn't know anything about health care. >> and i think you'd find many who wouldn't agree with governor dean on the good politician part. for more, i'm joined by krystle ball and josh barrow. josh, i'll start with you. we were talking a little bit in the break how it feels kind of retro for ted cruz to still stb obsessing about getting rid of obama care. why do you think he's doing it? >> the reason this idea has stuck around so long, we had this unusually long period between when it passed and when the major provisions will be implemented. if ted cruz isn't doing it, there's going to be somebody out there telling the conservative base to keep hope alive. there's still time to turn this around. there are big incentives to be that guy. we'll see the dynamicing change over the next few months. on january 1, a lot of people will get new insurance through the program. then you'll get more of a
feeling of permence and a feel of it's here to stay. >> today nikki haley had a lot of governors with her for the relaunch of her campaign. you have celebrity governors in the gop. a lot of them are either implementing obama care or thinking about it. so if josh is right and republicans think this will be a salient rah-rah issue for the base, what's with the governors? >> because the governors are faced with the fact that this would actually be good for their citizens. so there's a different political pressure there where they're going to be under a lot of fire if they see states like california implementing obama care, having success, their citizens actually getting good coverage and good karat a reasonable price and they're left doing nothing with a lot of people still uninsured. you're seeing people like rick perry, one of the mother most attackers of obama care and continues to be quietly trying to take some obama care money to even help his people. >> taking a swatting it with the right hand and taking it with the left. texas is the most uninsured the
state in the union. almost 30% of its citizens without health care. are you going to start to see in the 2014 election cycle a skisism between the take the money governors and these ted cruz national sort of republican figures. >> absolutely are you. the pressure is not going to come mostly from the people who would be getting health insurance under obama care although they will create some of it. much will come from doctors and hospitals who will say this is a customer base available to us we can't get because you won't take the expansion. and furthermore, there are provisions in obama care that put payments to hospitals that they currently get to compensate them for treating uninsured people on the basis these people are supposed to have insurance now. you don't need as much patient compensating for that. a lot of states will see hospitals starting to close because that will leave a big gap in budgets not getting filled by new people on medicaid. that's the big political fight in 2014 in the states. hospitals coming to republican state legislators and saying
time's up. you need to taking this money. jan brewer in arizona was able to get the medicaid expansion through our republican legislature. a coalition of people representing patient interests and hospitals. >> we're talking about the donor class. do we now start to see the donor class part ways from the whip up the base crowd among the ted cruz republicans on this issue of obama care? >> i think that's exactly right. you're going to see the donor class parting from ted cruz on any number of issues because ultimately things like shutting down the government are not good for business. going to the edge over the debt ceiling not good for business. is one of the things we've been seeing in the virginia governor's race is a lot of republican typical donors, businessmen are not backing cuccinelli because his policies are too extreme. >> and projecting even farth forward into presidential politics, what does this mean? is the republican base as determined to get rid of obama
care as ted cruise or is this not a winning issue? could this be a presidential level issue? >> it might be a winning political issue in campaigns in 2014. it can drive conservative turnout. in 2016, you'll have a fight between two parts of the republican establishment. the donor class is not monolithic. there's a lot of interest in this ted cruz style drastically shrink the government. these are the people who were giving money to people like rick santorum. you had sheldon adelson putting $100 million behind -- you have the other part of the donor class basically behind mitt romney in 2012 lining up behind chris christie for the 2016 fight. that side tends to win those nominating is fights. that's likely to happen again in the next psych. >> does that mean the president gets chris christie? >> i think chris christie will be a strong contender. there's so many people on the right fighting for the furthest right position, he has the skill to pull off more policy knewance
than say mitt romney did. but mitt romney came through the nominating process. we forget testifies ultimately the most moderate of the crazies in 2012. >> i'm sure christie won't say 47% on tape. he might. there's still time. >> you never know. thank you very much. >> thanks, joy. >> we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ we go, go, we don't have to go solo ♪ ♪ fire, fire, you can take me higher ♪ ♪ take me to the mountains, start a revolution ♪ ♪ hold my hand, we can make, we can make a contribution ♪ ♪ brand-new season, keep it in motion ♪ ♪ 'cause the rhyme is the reason ♪ ♪ break through, man, it doesn't matter who you're talking to ♪ [ male announcer ] completely redesigned for whatever you love to do. the all-new nissan versa note.
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good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. it's 5:00 eastern. let's get to work. >> one of the missions i had when i came to msnbc was that president obama had just been elected. i wanted to do health care. >> here in america, in the wealthiest nation on earth, no illness or accident should lead to any family's financial ruin. >> you need to pay attention to what's happening in your backyard. >> defund obama care. >> defund obama care sue repeal obama care. ♪